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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.05.20 13:01:00 -
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"2001: A Space Odyssey" is hands down the Best.
Worst is a different matter. Does one stay with somewhat decent productions, or go ahead and include the vast array of those that are MST3K worthy ?
For major productions, I have to go with "Battlefield Earth".
For most destructive SF film, I must go with "Alien 3". Killed that franchise in one swift stroke. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:57:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Honorable mention for "moon". Best soundtrack ever. Its part of the breeding, one would expect no less from Bowie stock.
We shall see how he does the "Warcraft" film. Shooting finishes this week, so more info is likely on the way soon. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:37:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Personal favourtite will always be Bladerunner, but a lot of what has already been mentioned is up there too. I'm a bit worried this new sequel will disappoint as Prometheus did. I'm not sure Ridley Scott is making films with the same impact he had early on (just goes to show success can be a bad thing).
Bear in mind he is 78 this year. Energy, and mental focus......well, ya know.
Also, remember that in the middle of filming Prometheus, his brother the director Tony Scott literally jumped off a bridge. So, he was probably a mess. They had made over 2500 commercials together before either even went into movies.
"Gladiator" (1999) seems to have now been the last hurrah. His return to ancient times "Exodus: Gods and Kings" later this year may tell the rest of this story. If he wants to play at DeMille, I hope the cheesy spectacle is toned down......and not 4 hours long either.  "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:28:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:I hope Ridley Scott will not spoil Forever War for me, I love the graphic novel.
Unfortunately that project is "no more".
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Posted - 2014.05.21 13:01:00 -
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Surprising that nobody has mentioned "The Matrix" (1999)
(oops...found it in someone's list. But still.) "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.21 17:28:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:Worst:
Star Wars prequels.
I had no freakin idea what the fk was going on or why.
Don't you understand ? George was making children's films. He said so himself. 4 year olds just love 45 minutes of incomprehensible political banter per film. 
Ugh. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.21 20:53:00 -
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Ila Dace wrote:
- Zardoz (!)
Yup "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.21 21:35:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:If we are at it i will throw some more bad movies, so bad you probably did not heard about them: The Beast of Yucca Flats 
"Flag on the moon. What does it mean ?"   "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.21 22:15:00 -
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Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:[...] I also loved the Ender's Game novels... and died inside when I saw the movie. I only read the first novel and really liked it. I didn't dare watch the movie, although opinions on it seem to differ strongly.
It was indeed one of the better SF novels when it was written.
But the film just has so much against it, I just can't bear to watch.
First of all, it was 30 years late. The only reason it finally got greenlit is the current rage for Young Adult Fiction, and it was rushed into production, and it shows. It's just a money grab.
And Harrison Ford, honestly, is just an angry bitter old man now. Watch his interviews on the Blade Runner documentary "Dangerous Days". He says nothing positive about the film, seems resentful, does not understand its popularity. He actually squirms as if wanting to just get out of the room. Ungrateful. I guess I get to put up with him in the new Star Wars though. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.22 12:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Got another terrible movie.
Robot Jox (also known as robo jockeys)
Don't forget "Solarbabies"  "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.22 15:26:00 -
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Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:Hey, I just remembered "Barbarella" .. :D
Such amazing psychedelic special effects. Seriously fun movie.
"In Hollywood, more often than not, they're making more kind of traditional films, stories that are understood by people. And the entire story is understood. And they become worried if even for one small moment something happens that is not understood by everyone."
-- David Lynch
"Don't make a film if it can't be the film you want to make. It's a joke, and a sick joke, and it'll kill you."
-- David Lynch (on Dune)
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.22 15:33:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:Best sharknado.
Worst 2001.
Yeah, we believe you. Yup. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:59:00 -
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Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:This is a tough one as there have been a handful of good science fiction films, few very good and plenty of simply dreadful films.
On the whole my list would look like:
BEST FILM: Stalker
WORST FILM: Liquid Sky
I saw Liquid Sky in a cinema in Antwerp in about '84 and I couldn't believe how bad it was. I think that it's fair to say that nothing that I have seen comes as close to that. I haven't seen Battlefield Earth but I expect that would be a masterpiece in comparison.
Stalker is simply excellent. No, there are no spaceships in there (they've long gone as it happens) but it's a wonderfully made film and a little hard going. And, oh, it's in Russian but that doesn't detract at all.
To the mainstream list. Of the Alien series, which I adore, my favourite is the so-called Director's Cut of Alien 3, followed by the orginal then not sure about the ranking of the last two. Slightly less mainstream is Jodie Foster's Contact because the concept of the film is fantastic.
Back to the bottom end of my list. I remember disliking the Trek films, though the last outing of the series is far, far better and puts them into the so-so category. One I remember failing to avoid all the time was the dreadful Enemy Mine which for reason my mate seemed to like. Mind you he was permanently drunk and had one eye so that may have been the reason for that.
2001 headed off this list and, sorry, no. It didn't work as a film for me at all. I have never been a fan of Kubrick and apart from a few iconic moments the film wasn't as good as its reputation. But this is, of course, a subjective opinion. A lot of people won't like my Alien 3 choice because it didn't have Hollywood actors and lots of guns but differeng opinions is the point of all this.
You liked "Stalker" but not "Liquid Sky" ? Both are kinda similar, in that they are pretty much non-technology based SF.
The audience I saw Alien 3 with mostly walked out at the end, very angry at the badness. I've never experienced anything like it before or since. I mean, people were appalled when Newt and Michael Biehn were offed before the opening credits were done, especially after the long heroic struggle in Aliens. Ugh.
I disagree with your summation of "2001", especially since you don't really outline your complaints at all. You are in a lonely field on that one.
"Enemy Mine" is pleasant enough. Morethe quality of an HBO production than a full on theatrical film, but it works. The original short story won both the Hugo and the Nebula Award. It's a very faithful adaptation. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:44:00 -
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The new Tom Cruiser "Edge of Tomorrow" is being billed as a Post-Apocalyptic "Groundhog Day".
m'kayyyyyy............
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:37:00 -
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Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
I know a lot of people think that Aliens is the best of the lot. But it's another Cameron film with high budget and lots of guns. It was fun when I saw it in my mid twenties but now there's nothing there that's of substance. And if one creature can cause that much damage in the first and third films then a planet full of the beasts should have been an impossibility to overcome.
...which is why they nuked them. It was the only way to be sure.
I became skeptical of Alien 3 before it even lensed, as William Gibson had written an excellent screenplay set on an mining asteroid.....lot's of creepy twist tunnels and no gravity. That wasn't good enough for 20th Fox for whatever reason and they scrapped it. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.02 17:00:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:The new Tom Cruiser "Edge of Tomorrow" is being billed as a Post-Apocalyptic "Groundhog Day".
m'kayyyyyy............
Id watch the hell out of that movie if they would have gotten Bill Murray instead of Tom Cruise.
'Tis indeed a much better idea. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.02 17:01:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:The new Tom Cruiser "Edge of Tomorrow" is being billed as a Post-Apocalyptic "Groundhog Day".
m'kayyyyyy............
Id watch the hell out of that movie if they would have gotten Bill Murray instead of Tom Cruise. God damn that would be surreal. I'd keep imagining Murray fighting as his character from Stripes. 
Primary weapon....that spatula  "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:31:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Also, both of those movies had a very distinctly black alien who was completely passive and helpful being misunderstood by a clearly white human who had grown up learning to hate black aliens for no reason. I acknowledge the realism but I don't like to watch it.
...and just how can an alien from another planet possibly be "African-American" ????????
The character is just from another non-human race.
The character was played by an African-American, and of course the movie is about racism. But that character is not black. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:43:00 -
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Dav Varan wrote:
Worst = Black Hole complete travisty from 1st minute to last
At least it had some hilarious lines for Slim Pickens as the little junky robot.
I always found it strange that the lead was Maximillian Schell....and the evil robot was named Maximillian as well. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:40:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:...and just how can an alien from another planet possibly be "African-American" ???????? I didn't say African-American. I said black. The aliens had a very dark complexion, and (debatably) other features stereotypical of African people. Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:the lead was Maximillian Schell the robot was Maximillian as well. rolls off the tongue nicely =)
That's because the actor playing him was Louis Gossett Jr.
The short story did not imply black at all, and your "dark complected" also applies to Hispanics, etc, so why are you just jumping to "black".
The character is just an alien from elsewhere. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.04 12:35:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:It really makes me sad when so-called Trekkers watch JJ Abrams' monstrosity and actually say that they are relieved he didn't break any of the elements that make it Star Trek. I'd ask them to point out any that he didn't break, but I know they wouldn't be able to come up with one.
Just what did they "break" in the first one ? It was a different universe, and I didn't mind anything too different. And I watched the original broadcast of the original series. I was not bothered by a thing.
(2nd one was awful indeed). "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.04 12:38:00 -
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Aspalis wrote:Scandalous! No one even mentions Dune as the worst?
Because it's not. There are SF films far, far worse. It has too much David Lynch stuff going on to be awful.
Perhaps, "disappointing" is a better word choice that "worst". "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.04 15:01:00 -
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Dorian Tormak wrote:
Dude, no concern necessary. Anyone with a brain knows how that is going to turn out. Was a whole prequel trilogy of non-sense not enough to alert you to the danger of imminent death upon the Star Wars franchise?
Prejudgement is bad, m'kayyyyy
We won't know a thing until it's actually seen. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.04 15:56:00 -
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Dorian Tormak wrote:
I'm just wise enough to face the truth.
That's interesting because so far there is no "truth", only speculation. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:31:00 -
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Dorian Tormak wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Dorian Tormak wrote:
I'm just wise enough to face the truth.
That's interesting because so far there is no "truth", only speculation. You're right. One could speculate that through some miracle perhaps Walt Disney and JJ Abrams could make a great Star Wars movie. Too bad that just ain't gonna happen.
What is your purpose behind being so damned insistent ??? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:49:00 -
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Dorian Tormak wrote: No purpose, just um, I don't know. Unashamedly me. Un-apologetically me. Preaching the word.
Just as expected. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:25:00 -
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Ian Morbius wrote: Marooned has not aged well.
Yeah. It seemed even a little dated when I saw it in the early 80s.
The Effects got an Oscar though. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.06 15:02:00 -
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Don't mess with the Kubrick
Of course, when the sequel was made in the 80's, it was based on Arthur C Clarke's novel, and doesn't really use any of the conceits of the original. Except for monolith, here given a purpose not hinted at in the original, there really are not any ties to the original. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.22 13:33:00 -
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Ranzabar wrote:
I watched Dune again last week. Hadn't seen it years. It was certainly an 80's movie. They tried. I think they really did, but it was really cheesy there in many places. However, it wasn't as bad as "The Black Hole". Now that was awful.
Blame the European investors that Dino deLaurentis found, who really wanted the next Star Wars, and not an exquisite work of cinema. They really had David Lynch in a bind of conflicting goals. (Sting was not David's idea.......Toto music was not his idea. The film originally had a full soundtrack by the amazing Brian Eno, that nobody has heard to this day).
Mr. Lynch calls it the greatest sadness of his life. And afterward vowed to never ever let anyone else have creative control of his films. And that has held to this very day.
Afterwards, Dino suggested he try "that script you showed me called Blue Velvet", and there was indeed no outside interference. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.22 14:46:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Ila Dace wrote:(...)There's nothing that has an actual "it's magic" explanation, at least from the audience's perspective (though "unobtanium" comes close).(...)
Minus the massive rocky islands floating in the sky, you mean? 
Unobtainium is a "McGuffin", just like "dilithium crystals" and "Red Matter". Or Flubber. They are used to fill in the blanks when a real life tech is not available or appropriate. They do not necessarily point to the fantastical, outside of SF.
They are a necessary storytelling device. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.22 19:49:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
McGuffin my ass. There are only 4 forces in the universe and none of them could keep those islands floating in the sky without causing severe side effects and/or being easily disruptable.
If it's a form of electromagnetism, heat it, block it, flip it around or bring a larger EM field and then let gravity follow its course. KA-BOOM, good bye blue punks. Not to mention that whatever makes the islands fly, can make human machines fly too.
As for gravity effects... well no, you REALLY do not want to go along that path.
Hey buddy....no need to be so rude.
In the context of it's use in the story, and it's complete lack of information. It is indeed a fictive McGuffin.
Just like the Maltese Falcon. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:31:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Has anyone mentioned Cloud Atlas yet?
I really expected to hate it, heard nothing but negative feedback, but I reckoned it couldn't be worse than generic superhero stuff. It's probably the film I've enjoyed the most in recent years. Really hope it becomes a cult classic.
It's not mindblowing or actually all that clever if you're familiar with the genres it references. But it's intricate, well directed and has a strong cast. When I watched it the first time I immediately realised I'd like to watch it again, and read the book, which is rare - but I didn't because it is better to mentally return to it in some ways. It's referencing and slyly reworking a hell of a lot of other genres and motifs - not just sci fi, storytelling but also cinematic themes (5th Element vs Django vs MadMax vs Shaft).
Anyway, I just watched it again and noticed that the film is a symphony movement, stylistically. Which I didn't notice the first time around because I was paying attention to the plot/characters, but is a subtext. It is quite long, and there are a lot of characters, but I think that allows you to interpret it differently each time, which is pleasing.
I'm really looking forward to the Wachowski Sibling's next "Jupiter Ascending". "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
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